According to the BBC, Aberystwyth University’s refusal to allow the use of candles on its premises has led Orthodox Jews to take their business elsewhere. Hundreds from the Jewish Community have holidayed in the Welsh town every summer, for the last 20 years, renting about 120 houses from the University.
Flaming row
But this summer, the group will be vacationing elsewhere after negotiations broke down over the use of candles. The University, it seems, is insisting that candles may not be used in the houses on safety grounds, while the group says that lighting candles is an intrinsic part of their religion.
In a statement published on BBC News, the University said:
The use of candles/naked flames in all university residences is prohibited. This is clearly set out in the terms and conditions which visiting groups are required to sign and abide by during their stay. Unfortunately, last year there was more than one incident involving lit candles with this visiting group.
The accommodation provider has not elaborated on the nature of the incidents, but the statement would imply that there were some close calls. Maybe they’re not being as unreasonable as it might first appear?
T&Cs
The statement goes on to say:
During negotiations regarding a proposed visit this year the university was asked to remove the parts of the terms and conditions which referred to flames being lit in accommodation and a suggestion was made by the group that covered flames might be more acceptable to the university. In reaching its decision not to allow candles to be lit in rooms the university has taken legal and health and safety advice and been in dialogue with the fire service. It has also undertaken its own risk assessment based on the local context and previous incidents.
A spokeswoman for the organizers of the Jewish group explained that lighting candles on a Friday evening was part of their religion, and that being asked not to light them “is like asking us not to breathe”.
The spokesperson added that “it’s in our interests to be safe”.
Standing their ground
The annual trip of hundreds of people from the North London Orthodox Jewish community would be a welcome boost to the University’s income, with student accommodation being otherwise left unoccupied during the summer months.
It’s somewhat admirable that the University is prepared, even in times of austerity, to stick to their principles and take a risk-based decision. It’s always frustrating when safety becomes a reason not to do something, and it would appear that the University felt this too, by attempting to meet the group part way with their suggestion of alternative candles.
Regardless of the efforts behind the scenes, it’s frustrating that once again, members of our profession appear to be the spoilers of other people’s enjoyment.
It’s a bit like Christmas — woe betide the fire safety adviser who decides to ban natural Christmas trees from the building (known to reach 1000 Celsius within three seconds of catching fire). In my own experience, raising the matter any later than August will put you in the “jobsworth” category. So, here’s a timely reminder to start planning for the festive season now!
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“last year there was more than one incident involving lit candles with this visiting group.” I think if you have a history of problems controlling an open flame you can’t expect a building owener/manager to let you start fires. Since this has been a problem in the past I don’t see why anyone is upset.
Because Aberystwyth is a really nice seaside town? (I’ve never been, wouldn’t know. Heard it’s nice though…)
I think there is no need for any grief since it is causing fire safety problems and mayhem for citizens in the area.
In my opinion the university was justified in following there rules and regions but one quulatestion arises that what was going on for last 20 years.
I feel that religious bindings are important as well but few things which can cause problems for others can be avoided. I can say that if litting a candle is important part of religious activities it can if possible to be lit outside. I think that can solve the problem but if inside then precautions need to be taken.
gbrown I agree with you. I think another option is to purchase a land and build there own houses there so that you can follow your religion bindings without any fear as well as any rules.
Agreed, you have to wonder how they managed to keep this going for 20 years. If they were consistently having issues with open flames getting out of control I can’t believe they were not cut off sooner unless there was something like an insurance carrier change that meant they had to tighten up on the rules.
So it’s more an issue of they like the location and can’t find a comparable place that will let them have candles? Sounds like they got lucky for a long time.
could not agree more, in this case we could say by the luck and the Lord’s grace… but I think now they taking right steps towards fire safety…
I have to disagree, as this days you could not create your own rules… you are always govern by the law of the land you live on… No escape from the gov… so to say… as I see it…
in my case as Canadian I’m a subjects of her Majesty the Queen…
Batye you might misunderstood my point. In my opinion to fulfill the religious binding instead of taking a place for somedays its better to buy your own place and follow your religious beliefs. Definitely after taking local bodies into confidence and not doing anything against the states liking.
safeNsane I think its more of a stinit to get projection by the school. They kept it going for 20 years till the time it serves there purpose but as its turning to be of no use for them they started complaining about it. Just a thought. What do you say?
I see, I think now I got it 🙂
Batye whats your point of view regarding this. What might be thereason that they stopped the provision after 20 years for a very pity reason?
a lot of the thing change with time, and people learn… I think they learn it… so to say…
Sorry Batye I could not get you. Can you please elaborate?
fire hazard it a fire hazard… and even with insurance in place… they realise it not safe… but some people feel it affect they religion… or religions rights… for me it just changes in fire safety… if I recall correctly Galachxa – jewish book of rules… safety should be a first priority… by this book… and fire safety do fall under category of the safety (life safety)…
Batye right but then I feel the community should not be complaining about not given the place by school as fire safety is also to be obliged by them. Am I right?
yes, but like we both see it… factors are in play… who is resposible for what… from the point of fire safety…
Without knowing the whole story I’d say that someone was calling in favors and the school was looking the other way when they had the incidents with open flames. Either they wore out the welcome or finally did enough damage that the school couldn’t absorb the cost or justify the risk. I suspect that the level of risk between religious rites and a student accidentally leaving a candle burning when they leave for class are a bit different but it does strike me as odd that they would look the other way for so long.