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seems like interesting good quality security camera, thank you for review… I hope to see it this model in North America soon…
Hi Colin, What is the optical format of the image sensor? What is the low-light performance of the camera? The retail price of this 8th-gen IP cam is twice the price of 1st-gen 720p50 cams that deliver highest-quality video no matter how the local-site LAN is implemented. Your analysis applauds on-board storage as a cost saver, presumably because you no longer need centralized on-site storage. What percentage of IP-cam security installations rely solely on on-board storage? (I’d be surprised if the number was higher than 5%, it would not be a professional approach because forensic evidence should be physically secured.)… Read more »
Todd, I’m not misled at all. Being that I am in fact an integrator I speak from experience.
Not all surveillance cameras are used for forensic evidence. Some end-users only want to check when their kids came home or when the snow plow came by. Edge storage reduces the cost of these installs by at least half and because of this I am seeing growing demand from my clients.
Hi Colin,
It’s great to know that an integrator can make money in the DIY market. I had thought you were addressing professional video surveillance, rather than nanny cams.
What is the optical format of the 2222 image sensor, and what is its low-light performance?
Thanks –todd
Hi Todd, Most business owners I service also ask me to service their homes. If they want one camera for their home or sixteen I wouldn’t turn them away. Again, from an integrators experience I also have clients who need dozens of cameras installed at remote locations across the country for a variety of low-risk applications. These are not small projects but edge storage has made them much more affordable. The optical format of the LD2222 image sensor is 1/2.5″. The low light performance is not good. It is not designed for low light applications and as I mentioned in… Read more »
Hi Colin, Thanks again for the straight answers. 1/2.5″ is the “right” optical format, I’m surprised that the low-light is not good. It’s hard to tell with IP cams whether the problems are compression related or in the embedded imaging system. You just wrote “edge storage” when you mean “camera storage.” DVRs are network-edge devices, in fact they’re more cost-effective network-edge devices than IP cameras. A journo should be wary drinking the all-IP-cam kool-aid. Your example needs remote monitoring examples and zero local-site storage. That begs the question: On-board storage is cheaper than what alternative for this example?? Local sites… Read more »
Hi Todd, You’re right, the common case for surveillance is to have multiple cameras at one premise requiring several days or weeks of recording. In these cases camera storage is not appropriate. To give a more detailed example here it a recent project I worked on. The client has a large facility with a 24/7 manned guard station monitoring dozens of cameras across the local site. The same client then has a few remote offices that are for temporary use by employees on the road. It would be cost prohibitive to streams cameras from the remote facilities back to the… Read more »
Hi Colin,
That’s a great example of where deployment of a camera with on-board storage is appropriate and cost effective. Thanks for that detail.
I continue to wonder whether the general characterization of LD2222 as a cost-saver is valid. That’s a busy, large circuit board behind the imager. Surveillance installers want better video, delivered without delay, that’s reliable, easily installed, and inexpensive.
One point from me, Colin’s not a journo, but an integrator as he said. As you say, journos need to not drink the all-IP Kool-Aid certainly. An honest appraisal of the strengths and weaknesses of various tech is what’s needed. One thing that I think we do see is that the consumer — driven largely by IP-marketing machines — do increasingly want IP.
Dear Todd, Hope you are well – thanks for your interest in this product review, I sense a slightly leading tone to the line of questioning but I will add my views into the mix. Edge storage is an area of great interest from a wide range of users; I’ll explain a few applications for you, in addition to those suggested by Colin; Duplication – the NVR or DVR is a single point of failure, it can also be targetted by people wanting to remove, turn off or destroy data. Using cameras with SD card recording offers a level of… Read more »
A quick response to Batye – this camera is ex-stock in our LA office – drop them a line on [email protected] or call (626) 930 1000
thank you…
How’s that for service, thanks Jason.
You make a good point that the SD card function is useful for redundancy. To rely on it for storage alone, obviously, would be foolish but to support the potential for other failures. Personally, I think I’d prefer a 2nd offsite storage option in the cloud.
Rob,
For backup media which do you think would be less resiliant – backup to SD card inside the camera or to the Cloud via an internet connection?